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Look I get you are all excited about this, but Otakon is the East coast con and seeing you guys making a west coast con, which will likely have more guest, and become more popular isn't making me that happy. Look, it has nothing to do with you trying less hard for Otakon but west coast cons just get more guest, it is closer to California and Japan.

 

I'll just ask the basic question, who is going to go work for Otakon Vegas and what will be the split in work load for the two cons, are they two separate entities or not?

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I'm also wondering what effect this will have on the Baltimore staff. Are Baltimore staffers (like guest relations and programming) going to be splitting their focuses between two conventions?

I know you guys work so hard year round on Baltimore's Otakon, who is going to work for Vegas?

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Does this mean that Baltimore will eventually lose this Con? I hope City officials get this message...loud and clear and start really giving you guys some hard Grand Prix style love. If I know how business works, these moves, tests and marketing ideas means you've tapped out in this city........I'd love to hear that I'm wrong.....

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Just... why? What the heck kind of announcement is this? Should I be happy about it? Should I be concerned? wacko.png

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Oh well. I can't go. 

 

 

Just... why? What the heck kind of announcement is this? Should I be happy about it? Should I be concerned? wacko.png

 

My feelings too.

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You do realize its cheaper to fly to Vegas from anywhere in the Nation and get a hotel there and stay for a week than anywhere else in the country right?

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Also, 

 this makes it difficult for kids under 18 to attend. It's in a casino, it's not fun outside of the Con, it's not cool for people with smaller children to take their kids to Vegas. Comic Con isn't even in Vegas.......because, you know, Kids. Vegas ain't got SH*T to do for people under 21 after 9pm. and also, the  cards they hand out on the streets.......advertising hookers. .....It's simply NOT a fun place for people under 21.  How do you respond to that? 

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I'm really anxious to hear from staff about this.

How will they handle which guests go to which con? Obviously it depends on when the guests are available, but I'm not looking forward to compare/contrast reactions.

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Otakon is roughly about a 4 hour drive for me. And I don't need a hotel because I have family who lives there. So I'd rather it not disappear in place of Vegas. The east coast doesn't really need to be losing cons. Especially upper east coast.

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I live in Harford country Its still cheaper to fly to Vegas and rent a hotel room than rent a Hotel room in Baltimore for 3 days.

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I love where Otakon is at the moment. I live in FL, and it's already so much for me to get to Otakon, Las Vegas would just be too much, it's normally $300-$450 for a flight there. Plus it's such an adult city, it's not a good place for kids and even teenage anime fans. Plus what parent would let there kid go to Vegas? I'm glad I'm not the only person unhappy about this.

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You do realize its cheaper to fly to Vegas from anywhere in the Nation and get a hotel there and stay for a week than anywhere else in the country right?

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You do realize its cheaper to fly to Vegas from anywhere in the Nation and get a hotel there and stay for a week than anywhere else in the country right?

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You do realize its cheaper to fly to Vegas from anywhere in the Nation and get a hotel there and stay for a week than anywhere else in the country right?

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Oh, God. I don't even want to think about what the hotels must cost in Vegas~ sad.png

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Oh, God. I don't even want to think about what the hotels must cost in Vegas~ sad.png

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Southwest airlines 276 dollars by way of atlanta thats for a 2 weeks out booking.  Round Trip.

 

Fom BWi

Vegas hotels are pretty cheap because there are so damn many of them.

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Right now I'm paying $150 for the entire weekend (including Thursday) hotel after splitting a room at the Hilton 6 ways. Plus (just a guess) $40 for parking after splitting that cost 3 ways with the people in my car. I'm not going to factor in gas, it's too unpredictable, and I'll leave out food. About $270 including registration to come from Philadelphia. Maybe up to $350, I have no idea how gas will add in. It might not, we get good MPG and it's a short, 2 hour drive.

That's the minimum cost of airfare to Las Vegas from Philly. Not to mention any baggage fees (unless it is on Southwest) and the hassle of flying cosplays. (prices I looked at we're from Southwest a random weekend in September). It's not feasible, even with the cheaper hotels (That hotel is half the price of my Hilton room)

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I'm not sure if I care about Otakon Vegas at the moment (at best it's just another con I can't go to and don't care about, at worst it takes money and resources away from the con I DO go to and DO care about.  But I'll wait and see what happens before making any judgements like that).  I did want to point out though that people talking about how much "cheaper" it is to fly are failing to take a few things into account.

 

The first thing is that it's not one flat price from anywhere to a destination.  Where you're coming from is going to matter.  Secondly while the actual price of gas may cost more, you can split the cost of gas between a carload.  You can't split the cost of an airplane ticket.  So if it's $300 for an airplane ticket, and gas is about $400, you're looking at a much cheaper cost in gas if you have 4-5 people in the car paying.

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I'm not sure if I care about Otakon Vegas at the moment (at best it's just another con I can't go to and don't care about, at worst it takes money and resources away from the con I DO go to and DO care about.  But I'll wait and see what happens before making any judgements like that).  I did want to point out though that people talking about how much "cheaper" it is to fly are failing to take a few things into account.

 

The first thing is that it's not one flat price from anywhere to a destination.  Where you're coming from is going to matter.  Secondly while the actual price of gas may cost more, you can split the cost of gas between a carload.  You can't split the cost of an airplane ticket.  So if it's $300 for an airplane ticket, and gas is about $400, you're looking at a much cheaper cost in gas if you have 4-5 people in the car paying.

Southwest airlines 276 dollars by way of atlanta thats for a 2 weeks out booking.  Round Trip.

 

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Vegas hotels are pretty cheap because there are

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I'm not sure if I care about Otakon Vegas at the moment (at best it's just another con I can't go to and don't care about, at worst it takes money and resources away from the con I DO go to and DO care about.  But I'll wait and see what happens before making any judgements like that).

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Also, This is RIGHT BEFORE CES, the biggest electronics show in the country. Ticket/hotel prices will be jacked just for that......

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We are NOT, repeat NOT NOT NOT, moving Otakon to Vegas.  Was never in the cards.

 

Please read the FAQ on the Otakon Vegas website. A lot of the concerns you raise are already addressed there.

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We are NOT, repeat NOT NOT NOT, moving Otakon to Vegas.  Was never in the cards.

 

Please read the FAQ on the Otakon Vegas website. A lot of the concerns you raise are already addressed there.

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We are NOT, repeat NOT NOT NOT, moving Otakon to Vegas.  Was never in the cards.

 

Please read the FAQ on the Otakon Vegas website. A lot of the concerns you raise are already addressed there.

 

Yes, please do read it, it addresses many of your concerns fairly succinctly.

 

http://www.otakonvegas.com/faq.html

 

I for one am very enthused about Otakon Vegas, it will give us as an organization the ability to further spread our mission to an underserved area.

 

One of the things you all have to realize is that many of us already staff for more than one convention.  Many of us are pretty good multitaskers, so long as we balance our level of involvement.  This will be the fourth convention that I have staffed, although I really only do about two in a given year.  I'm looking forward to being a part of this crazy experiment.

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Wow, that's a lot of questions.

  • Otakon is not leaving the east coast.
  • Staff at Vegas specifically volunteered for it. Most will be fulfilling the same duties. A handful of staff will assist both events, but most of the staff for each will stay exclusive to their event.
  • Otakon Vegas allows us to reach out to our friends on the west coast. It also allows us to test out new things.
  • Financially, Otakon and Otakon Vegas are separate events. However, members of Otakorp, the people who attend Otakon, do receive a discount on an Otakon Vegas badge.
  • The cost of travel depends on numerous factors, such as where you live, when you book, and even your own personal travel history.

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I'm really looking forward to it. Do you have an estimate on how much space there is going to be? #of rooms for video etc etc?

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Regarding the concern about losing guests to Otakon Vegas: 

 

You have my word that we won't sacrifice Otakon guest and industry participation for our new event.  If anything, this broadens our reach, and offers us a way to work with people we might otherwise never get that first chance with.

 

However, Otakon's timing makes it very difficult, sometimes, for us to coordinate schedules with certain guests. Many seiyuu spend late summer recording the fall seasons of their shows and cannot take a break to come; production teams are under extreme deadlines in late summer for the same reason. Many bands perform in summer festivals in Japan.  (Manga-ka almost NEVER get a break, so I doubt that'll help us too much there.)  So there are guests we've been in contact with for years who want to work with US, but haven't ever been able to make the timing work.  If they are able to make it work for Vegas, then that's a chance for me to cement a working relationship and build trust, which increases the likelihood of getting those hard-to-convince guests. 

 

Don't get me wrong, there are folks for whom the allure of Vegas alone will make the difference. (At least one potential musical guest has contacted us specifically about performing at Otakon Vegas, because, well, VEGAS.  But it was also clear that they want to work with us specifically, and the timing is great for them.) 

 

In short, it gives us options to build our network of connections, and that benefits ALL our events.

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What Jim and Mike Reynolds said.

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Also, 

 this makes it difficult for kids under 18 to attend. It's in a casino, it's not fun outside of the Con, it's not cool for people with smaller children to take their kids to Vegas. Comic Con isn't even in Vegas.......because, you know, Kids. Vegas ain't got SH*T to do for people under 21 after 9pm. and also, the  cards they hand out on the streets.......advertising hookers. .....It's simply NOT a fun place for people under 21.  How do you respond to that? 

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We are NOT, repeat NOT NOT NOT, moving Otakon to Vegas.  Was never in the cards.

 

Please read the FAQ on the Otakon Vegas website. A lot of the concerns you raise are already addressed there.

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Ahh...I see what's going on..... Otakon Vegas seems to be treated as a "ticketed event" while Otakon itself is not.

So some things can probably be done in Vegas but not in Baltimore due to that differentiation....

 

Well... It's a pity that Otakon Vegas is on the other side of the country and at a somewhat weird time of the year (in my opinion)....but I guess if they can use Otakon Vegas effectively enough to freely develop some things that can be tweaked/adapted for Baltimore later on then sure, hopefully this plays out as pictured though...

 

Like others have mentioned, this could have negative effects on Otakon @ Baltimore.....

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I wanna bring up another convention if I may. 5 words, 5 simple words to calm all your nerves.

 

PAX Prime and PAX East.

 

I remember bringing this up when we reviewed the proposal, more importantly that PAX is doing a PAX Australia, and by all accounts, it's off to a successful start, because like what we're doing, they chose an attractive destination that was under-served.

 

There's some stigma to break through, it would seem, and honestly, so far, that looks like the only real challenge to overcome.  Sure, there are new logistical challenges.  But honestly, when aren't there logistical hurdles?

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I really wish I could go to Otakon Vegas. I've always wanted to travel out west (not necessarily Vegas, but I didn't have a particular place in mind), but while hotel accomodations are really cheap compared to Baltimore ($50 a night in Vegas, nearly $200 in Baltimore) and I wouldn't have to spend money on gas, round trip plane tickets (cheapest I found from where I'm at were $600) would cost a lot more than what I'd need for everything for Baltimore. Maybe one day though...maybe one day.

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I'm mostly "meh" about this announcement at the moment. It's a time of year I don't really travel, and Otakon is my big destination con every summer; I don't really have any desire to go to a Vegas con. Right now it's just another con I won't attend, like most of the cons in the country, but I am a bit concerned that it's going to draw resources from Otakon.

 

It also irks me a bit that there was all this "CHECK OUT THIS AWESOME ANNOUNCEMENT" hype earlier and then it wasn't an awesome announcement but I guess there are probably others who are excited about it XD

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From what I've gathered from our Otakon Vegas meetings and such, Otakon Vegas is a way for us to try new things, new guests, new spins on things we already provide or are willing to provide to our members. 

 

Yes, there is the allure of Vegas itself for both our members and guests, which like Jim stated, will help attract several opportunities for us. We still are going to be providing the same excellent product you would get at Otakon in Baltimore just one: closer to those on the west coast, and two: we can provide different material/programming that we wouldn't be able to necessarily at Otakon in Baltimore. 

 

The most important part that I see so far for Otakon Vegas to be successful is input from you, our members. What do you want to see at Otakon Vegas that you wouldn't normally see at Otakon, or any other con you've been to? What do you want to do besides the usual video premiers, Masquerade, video game rooms, etc? This is our chance to grow our name further than before and a lot of the way we will be able to do that is by you, the members, helping us out with more of what you want. 

 

Personally, I'm planning on going, I plan on learning way more about how to run certain aspects of Otakon as a whole from working with Vegas, as well as I plan on expecting some new or experimental programming that we can do at Vegas that we might not be able to do in Baltimore. 

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Just remember, folks: there are a TON of anime conventions out there. You don't *have* to go to all of them.

 

We really don't expect everyone from Otakon to come to the new event (and it would crush us if you all did!), so you won't hurt our feelings if you can't make it.  :)

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Otakon Vegas sounds interesting! It would be neat if you guys could have some rare anime stuff appraised on Pawn Stars. Who knows, maybe Chumlee might be an Otaku and show up at the con!!!

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Darthy While that that would be funny

Stage a HUGE invasion of the pawn stars shop. Confuse the F@#$ out of the locals.

However.

The Pawnstars shop is off the strip and in aa less than great neighborhood 

Not to mention they would never let it get on the air.

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I like the idea for a small, intimate con like way Otakon used to be back in the early days. But unfortunatly, it's too far for me to travel, too soon in the year, and way too short of income right now. 

 

Anyway, best of luck to you all.

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I like this thread, people are being more or less straight and I think it's good to vent all this stuff. Clear the air etc. Along those lines it would be nice if someone from Otacorp write it up so people are clear about it. Just telling us to RTFM is great if we're here to listen to you telling us to read the FAQ page, but that's like <5% of your membership.

 

 

 

However, Otakon's timing makes it very difficult, sometimes, for us to coordinate schedules with certain guests. Many seiyuu spend late summer recording the fall seasons of their shows and cannot take a break to come; production teams are under extreme deadlines in late summer for the same reason. Many bands perform in summer festivals in Japan.  (Manga-ka almost NEVER get a break, so I doubt that'll help us too much there.)  So there are guests we've been in contact with for years who want to work with US, but haven't ever been able to make the timing work.  If they are able to make it work for Vegas, then that's a chance for me to cement a working relationship and build trust, which increases the likelihood of getting those hard-to-convince guests. 

 

Don't get me wrong, there are folks for whom the allure of Vegas alone will make the difference. (At least one potential musical guest has contacted us specifically about performing at Otakon Vegas, because, well, VEGAS.  But it was also clear that they want to work with us specifically, and the timing is great for them.) 

 

In short, it gives us options to build our network of connections, and that benefits ALL our events.

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Otakon Vegas sounds interesting! It would be neat if you guys could have some rare anime stuff appraised on Pawn Stars. Who knows, maybe Chumlee might be an Otaku and show up at the con!!!

 

It's like a 60-person line outside the shop whenever it's open (and for an hour or two before). I doubt it. :)

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I like this thread, people are being more or less straight and I think it's good to vent all this stuff. Clear the air etc. Along those lines it would be nice if someone from Otacorp write it up so people are clear about it. Just telling us to RTFM is great if we're here to listen to you telling us to read the FAQ page, but that's like <5% of your membership.

 

Not to be a jerk, but the point of setting up a big website and populating a FAQ pretty much *IS* us writing it up so people are clear about it. We put it there so people could find it. :)

 

Between the official site, this forum, the ANN podcast, and an obscene amount of traffic on various social media, I think we've spammed the world with information. On the other side of the monitor, it's pretty repetitive.  I  mean, my first instinct is to check the official site for information about whatever I'm looking for....

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You guys have been doing a great job clearing up confusion though, as repetitive as it is for you. I'm happy with the staff response on here after the annoucement. I was also just linked to this thread from Ota staff on tumblr today (which I was kind of amused by, seeing as its an old post now and I'm an active reader of the boards already- but they wouldn't know that). The outreach to fans that I've seen on here, tumblr, or Facebook as been useful and patient, so thank you.

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I like this thread, people are being more or less straight and I think it's good to vent all this stuff. Clear the air etc. Along those lines it would be nice if someone from Otacorp write it up so people are clear about it. Just telling us to RTFM is great if we're here to listen to you telling us to read the FAQ page, but that's like <5% of your membership.

 

Not to be a jerk, but the point of setting up a big website and populating a FAQ pretty much *IS* us writing it up so people are clear about it. We put it there so people could find it. smile.png

 

Between the official site, this forum, the ANN podcast, and an obscene amount of traffic on various social media, I think we've spammed the world with information. On the other side of the monitor, it's pretty repetitive.  I  mean, my first instinct is to check the official site for information about whatever I'm looking for....

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I like this thread, people are being more or less straight and I think it's good to vent all this stuff. Clear the air etc. Along those lines it would be nice if someone from Otacorp write it up so people are clear about it. Just telling us to RTFM is great if we're here to listen to you telling us to read the FAQ page, but that's like <5% of your membership.

 

Not to be a jerk, but the point of setting up a big website and populating a FAQ pretty much *IS* us writing it up so people are clear about it. We put it there so people could find it. smile.png

 

Between the official site, this forum, the ANN podcast, and an obscene amount of traffic on various social media, I think we've spammed the world with information. On the other side of the monitor, it's pretty repetitive.  I  mean, my first instinct is to check the official site for information about whatever I'm looking for....

You're not being a jerk. I understand what you've said and I've seen the stuff you've referred to. And I appreciate the work you guys have done. Repetitive is the name of the game when you work the press (this is Otakon 20 coming up, it's most definitely way too late to complain re:repetitive.)

 

I just think maybe there's a more direct way you can reach your audience. Or, for example, tell people to go to the FAQ page directly in the PR for Otakon Vegas. I think you've done definitely "enough" but all I've pointed to is a "it would be nicer if" thing to do.

 

A lot of it is probably fatigue on my part, but it's unfortunately true that even if you handed it to them personally, some folks woulc complain about having to actually LOOK at the paper. Sadly there is a relatively small group of noisy people who complain about us being "incompetent at providing information", "hiding information" or worse. Some are clearly trolling, but others, I fear, are utterly clueless.  And no amount of proactive info-dumping will fix that. :)

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It's a terrible time of year for me since I accrue vacation at work and don't get it all given to me up front. I'd have to hold some in reserve from this year and carry it over to next year to have a shot at it. Not to mention I'm typically tapped out from my various other convention excursions throughout the year and winter is when I take a break and pay the credit cards down. But if you get some super awesome guests, I might show up.

 

Not really interested in Vegas itself. I don't gamble, I don't do shows, and I can go shopping or hit an arcade right here at home. If nothing else, I suppose I could head up to NTS and check out the nuclear bomb craters...

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I am really intrigued to see what they pull out for Vegas and how it's going to differ from Baltimore, I look forward to hearing more. I don't personally like small cons, but it'll be interesting to hear about.

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