GasparAKAShiggitay 194 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 So, as this doesn't really involve the convention directly directly, I thought I'd post it here. I'm planning on attending Otakon this year (I have roommates for a hotel room that I have booked at the Embassy Suites that I'm guessing is a carry-over from last year, I pre-registered, etc) but I live with my parents who are [somewhat] older. My dad, who just turned 72 about a week ago, seems to be indifferent with me going to a large scale event during a pandemic. It's gotten loads better than exactly a year ago, and he agrees. The thing is, my mom, who's 9 years younger, is SUPER paranoid I'll bring home a strain/strand of the virus and she fears I'll infect her and my dad, and despite the CDC now saying that vaccinated people do not need to quarantine, she's insisting that I can't come home for 2 weeks after the convention no matter what I tell her. What doesn't make sense to me is the fact that all 3 of us are 100% VACCINATED (parents got Pfizer). I know that means that we're not 100% immune to the virus, but if we get any known variation of it pretty much, we'll get sick, but chances of it being critical or fatal are very low (like 0.01% or so). I have two shots of Moderna in me and it's been proven SCIENTIFICALLY that those vaccinated can be in crowds with little to no risk of transmission or spread should you be exposed. I'm aware that Otakon has stated that mask wearing will be mandatory in all convention areas (WEWCC, Marriot Marquis hotel, etc) and I plan on honoring that, even though theoretically I would be okay and I wouldn't cause any problems for the general population. My 4 roommates are vaccinated (or will be by con-time), so there's that too. [SideNote] A few days after I got my 2nd Moderna shot, I convinced my mom to allowed me and go to see some local friends (all vaccinated individuals) for some dinner fun on a late Saturday afternoon/night. We went to a crowded restaurant and NO ONE there was wearing a mask. The waitress told us that "it's pretty much back to normal here". I didn't get COVID-19, and I don't see how me attending an event with yes potentially more than a few dozen people in a restaurant would be statistically different, but it's the same concept. Also my brother went to Florida for work and he was in crowds, and although he doesn't live with us anymore, that's indeed also the same concept at least in my eyes. [/SideNote] With all that said, I've also been keeping track of cases etc in the US and they have significantly DROPPED since mass vaccinations were made available to the public. A year ago we were averaging 250,000 cases a day, but now we're under 15,000. That's like a 94% drop, and that's awesome. Just about half of the country has at least 1 shot administered, and a little bit less has both. Given my mother is being overly stubborn and irrational about this and she's a hard egg to crack (lack of a better metaphor), how can I convince her that I'll be safe and that the venue with its upgraded ventilation systems will keep me and everyone else safe? How can I tell her that she doesn't need to make me quarantine when it's been deemed safe enough to travel within the US with little to no risk to anyone's health if you're vaccinated like myself? In closing for this post I'd like to say that I've tried talking to my mom about this, but as I said she's being irrational and stubborn about it all. I've compiled a set of links I plan on showing her in about a month so as to further prove to her that cases are going down to ALMOST near pre-pandemic levels, and I'm including them here/below.https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/06/10/can-you-spread-covid-if-youre-vaccinated-have-no-symptoms-and-test-positive/https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article252023058.htmlhttps://theconversation.com/can-people-vaccinated-against-covid-19-still-spread-the-coronavirus-161166?https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/can-people-vaccinated-against-covid-19-still-spread-the-coronavirushttps://www.consumerreports.org/coronavirus/vaccinated-people-can-go-maskless-indoors-in-crowds-a1827746492/https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/whats-safe-after-your-covid19-vaccine I'm aware that the above articles have basically all the same info in them and that it's redundant, but that's the point in convincing my mom that it'll be safe enough for me to go to Otakon 2021. I'm trying to figure out a way to word it and present it to her and I think those articles will help., but even then it won't be easy given again, how stubborn and irrational she's being about all this. It's ridiculous... I'm 37 years old and she doesn't trust I'll do the right thing out there... Thanks in advance, GasparAKAShiggitay 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clutch 64 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 I would say "Mom, I need you to book me, and pay for, a hotel to stay in for 2 weeks after the convention. Love you!". If she is that adamant about it, she can pony up the expense of a hotel for 14 days. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GasparAKAShiggitay 194 Posted June 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Clutch said: I would say "Mom, I need you to book me, and pay for, a hotel to stay in for 2 weeks after the convention. Love you!". If she is that adamant about it, she can pony up the expense of a hotel for 14 days. If only it was that easy... Haha my friend on an FB Messenger call said the same thing... He's like "Mom, why don't you come with me?", though she wouldn't and she'd get even more upset... It's really irrational, and makes no sense... It's frustrating. Fully vaccinated individuals like myself do NOT have to quarantine! This country is slowing getting into better shape, so I'd understand the whole quarantine thing if I was going to say, Canada for a con or something, but within the US it's somewhat "normal" again to travel. Ugh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Revan 38 Posted June 13, 2021 Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 Your mom is 'irrational and stubborn'? Sounds just like my parents - probably all parents, when it comes to their kids. (It's almost like they're not doing their jobs if they aren't a pain in the @$$. 🙂 ) While admittedly, you can use all the logic in the world in your arguments, but some people won't be shifted in their opinions. The only approach I can suggest is that unless you're going to be locked up at home for the rest of your days*, that you will be in a large group of people in a confined space at some point in the future - Sporting event, concert, public transit, movie, etc. - so she may as well bow to the inevitable. (I see my parents regularly, but I think I'll take a little break from seeing them after the con just to be sure. - That's my irrational paranoia kicking in.) * This may be seen as a perfectly reasonable option for some parents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GasparAKAShiggitay 194 Posted June 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Revan said: Your mom is 'irrational and stubborn'? Sounds just like my parents - probably all parents, when it comes to their kids. (It's almost like they're not doing their jobs if they aren't a pain in the @$$. 🙂 ) While admittedly, you can use all the logic in the world in your arguments, but some people won't be shifted in their opinions. The only approach I can suggest is that unless you're going to be locked up at home for the rest of your days*, that you will be in a large group of people in a confined space at some point in the future - Sporting event, concert, public transit, movie, etc. - so she may as well bow to the inevitable. (I see my parents regularly, but I think I'll take a little break from seeing them after the con just to be sure. - That's my irrational paranoia kicking in.) * This may be seen as a perfectly reasonable option for some parents. Yeah but the fact that she "let" me go see local friends like 48h after my 2nd shot is enough for me to call her a hypocrite... I was literally in a crowd when at the restaurant we went to and I was fine afterwards. I do have a cold right now but only because my sleep cycle is horrid. I'm going to show her the articles linked in the OP of this thread in a few weeks, so as to give cases time to drop even more, and vaccinations to rise more as well. I'm going to go to Otakon this year whether she likes it or not. Also to reiterate, only my mom is all up in arms about me going out there again. My dad is (I used "indifferent" in the OP) understanding and he agrees with me that my mom is overreacting and not being fair. Edited June 13, 2021 by GasparAKAShiggitay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GasparAKAShiggitay 194 Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) So here's a bit of a pseudo-update to my rant/vent regading my mom: She and I were watching a movie, and then she grabbed her phone and said "The pandemic is uncertain..." and mentioned that people from Europe are coming over to the US bring different strains with them. I just walked away (partially due to having to use the bathroom, but that's besides the point) when she started on that. She has no idea how low cases are in the US and she seems to not know/understand, as much as she'll insist the opposite, how the vaccines work, and what can and cannot happen when someone gets sick with COVID when vaccinated (which NEWS FLASH not a lot happens if anything). I found some CDC articles saying that travel from the EU is allowed now but with restrictions and it's not recommended. Americans wanting to travel to select EU countries for non-essential reasons who are 100% vaccinated can, but not all of the EU has opened up yet. IDK WTF she was reading off of her phone, but that's far from the truth... plus as I've mentioned earlier in this thread: SHE'S 100% VACCINATED! It hasn't been proven that the vaccines CANNOT protect you from these strains out there... Even the "Delta" strain that's dominant here in the US doesn't stand much of a chance. This is getting even more ridiculous, and it's getting super annoying. Bah. Edited June 14, 2021 by GasparAKAShiggitay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ikano 17 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) The only other thing that I can think of that someone hasn't mentioned here before is you could offer to take COVID tests after con to prove you did or did not catch it... I saw CVS selling two different rapid ones the other day in-store like...with over-the-counter medicine [no need for doc "prescription" or what have you to purchase the kits]....one seemed to give results in 15 minutes and it didn't appear like you had to send it in the lab somewhere...Though honestly I don't quite remember the details printed on the box since the price tag was not quite chump change in my book... 'Course she could always counter-argue that it gives you a false-negative, so I don't quite know how effective this would be... Edited June 14, 2021 by Ikano 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GasparAKAShiggitay 194 Posted June 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ikano said: The only other thing that I can think of that someone hasn't mentioned here before is you could offer to take COVID tests after con to prove you did or did not catch it... I saw CVS selling two different rapid ones the other day in-store like...with over-the-counter medicine [no need for doc "prescription" or what have you]....one seemed to give results in 15 minutes and it didn't appear like you had to send it in the lab somewhere...Though honestly I don't quite remember the details printed on the box since the price tag was not quite chump change in my book... 'Course she could always counter-argue that it gives you a false-negative, so I don't quite know how effective this would be... I could offer to do that but she'll not have faith that I'll actually do it. I might go to CVS in the morning and find a COVID test to have with me. That's a great idea. Thank you. Also, I might be staying with friends in NC after the con, so that'll further allow me to prove to her that I'll come home healthy and fine. EDIT: This one isn't TOO badly priced, and honestly I don't care... I just want to prove to my mom that even if I test "positive" it's because my VACCINATED system is taking care of it.https://www.cvs.com/shop/ellume-covid-19-home-test-prodid-431742 Edited June 14, 2021 by GasparAKAShiggitay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GasparAKAShiggitay 194 Posted June 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) Another pseudo-update: I consulted with my brother and he suggests that I assure my mom that I'll make sure to be virus-free before coming home.... That's futile as I'm vaccinated, but I'll say anything within reason to have her "let me" go. Edited June 17, 2021 by GasparAKAShiggitay 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GasparAKAShiggitay 194 Posted July 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 So here's a final update and after this post anyone with the power can lock this thread, but my mom finally gave in and she's "letting" me go. I'll do my best to socially distance when possible, but when it's not possible, I'll have my mask on tight and it'll be fine. Thanks to everyone that's been suggesting stuff. I appreciate it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Perales 95 Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 15 hours ago, GasparAKAShiggitay said: So here's a final update and after this post anyone with the power can lock this thread, but my mom finally gave in and she's "letting" me go. I'll do my best to socially distance when possible, but when it's not possible, I'll have my mask on tight and it'll be fine. Thanks to everyone that's been suggesting stuff. I appreciate it. Great! Hope to see you there! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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